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 We were talking about your father, and we have come to the end of the year 1943.

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 Yes.

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 Can you tell us?

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 And then he was at home a lot, dad, and I remember, Gwede, that I had a very, very good time in every way.

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 Because I was not allowed to go to school then, I was supposed to go to high school,

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 but I was not allowed to go, because we did not have the permission.

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 Then we would have traveled 18 kilometers, and then they did not allow us to go.

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 We came in, right?

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 That's when my fun started, so then I knew that I was yours.

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 That's when it started, that Jews are not allowed to do this, Jews are not allowed to do that.

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 That's when, as I remember correctly, it was believed that a teacher would come home and teach us German.

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 Then she came only a few times, but she did not dare to come because we were Jews.

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 It was forbidden to do that and that and that, right?

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 Different things, and then I knew that...

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 But then I did not think that it was, I had best friends who were Christians.

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 And I have never heard that they wanted to be with me and that we have done everything together.

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 We had a good time together, but there was always worry.

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 What kind of restrictions did you get, or did you get as a child?

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 What restrictions and what prohibitions were there for you?

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 No, not then.

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 Then you only heard that you were not allowed to go to school as you wanted to go.

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 And then different things, then you have heard and talked about Poland and here and there and there is a ghetto and so on, right?

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 As I remember.

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 Then many poor people from Poland came to us.

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 And then I remember that they took my parents home and offered them dinner.

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 Or there were also many who did not have bread.

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 But I have never experienced that.

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 I have not had it when it was the worst time, when, for example, in '94 or '93 it could be,

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 that you got, you know, one did not have bread to eat, or dark bread, and we had white bread.

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 So you always did it in secret.

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 That my parents said, "No, you can not show and go out and show that you have that bread."

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 That others should not be suspected.

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 When did it start to change to much worse?

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 No, I just know that it got worse when they took us Jews.

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 No, and my dad said, "Maybe we should flee."

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 I know that he talked about it.

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 "No, it will pass, it will not be so serious."

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 But my dad took it very seriously and we wanted to flee to Budapest.

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 I know that, but we could not.

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 What happened when the Germans came to Hungary?

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 Then it was Easter.

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 This April, the 20th of April, in my life, I do not like holidays, especially not Easter.

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 Because it is the bitter that changed my life.

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 Can you tell us what happened that day?

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 When Easter was over and my dad was called, he was supposed to be in the military on April 16, 1944.

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 But he was a worker, because then you did not have Hungarian military clothes.

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 Then Jews were not allowed to have it.

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 Then he had civilian clothes, a yellow ribbon and a star.

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 And it was a work camp.

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 As it is Easter for us Jews, we had other things, porcelain and everything else.

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 I remember that we started to pick it up, carry it up in the wind and put it away for the next year.

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 We had no idea about anything.

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 But early in the morning, it was probably dusk,

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 someone knocked on the window or the door and opened it.

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 There was a German and my dad's friend, who was not a Jew, but he spoke German.

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 I told him that I had this document that I had found after 50 years, and that if I read it, it says "word for word how it has been".

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 I told him, and they said that after three hours they would give it to us.

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 And we had to take 40 kilos with us.

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 No gold, no money, nothing. Only 40 kilos.

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 And that was all, and we were supposed to be at the school I had gone to.

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 It was a very large area, a yard and so on, so we had to gather there.

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 And then my dad asked, "But I'm single, what am I supposed to do with my family?"

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 And they said, "You have to go with your family."

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 And we were already very happy that we were going to be together as a family.

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 And my mom was quite sick, I don't know if I should hope for that.

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 She had lung cancer when she was young, but she had been infected by her brother.

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 At the age of 30, it's very easy to get infected.

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 Even though they told her not to go and visit him, she still did.

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 So she got infected.

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 My mom was already very sick during those two years, as far as I remember.

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 But they had already caused her to have cancer.

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 And she cried, because grandma lived elsewhere and we weren't allowed to go and meet anyone.

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 We weren't allowed to move from our house.

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 We could only go there on that occasion, but then we met all the relatives we had and friends.

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 So only doctors, all doctors and pharmacists were allowed to stay that day.

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 They didn't have a replacement, so many doctors and pharmacists had to stay.

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 Even though they were Jews.

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 Because they didn't have enough doctors.

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 I remember that.

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 Then we drove 18 km to a ghetto in Berkshals, which I have in my book.

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 You said that you drove from the school?

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 Yes, from the school yard.

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 And all our friends, non-Jews, came to us and asked what we should do.

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 And they cried. All of them.

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 It's also in this book that I read.

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 They cried and didn't want to leave.

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 They wanted to come to the school yard.

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 We were friends with the principal and the principal's wife.

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 She cried and left food for us.

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 If we needed it, if we didn't have enough with us.

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 So we came to the school yard.

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 Was the school yard guarded in any way?

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 No, not really.

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 They were guarding it with feathers.

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 Chandeliers?

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 Yes.

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 But they also cried a lot.

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 When they came to us and locked our door, they left a flowerpot.

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 It was a Jewish house, with everything.

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 Many of the Chandeliers cried.

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 I didn't experience that many Jews.

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 There were different people.

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 Was there a German military personnel in the town?

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 They came to us, but they were very disappointed.

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 Because they also had great anti-Semitism in Poland and elsewhere.

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 They had it in Sweden too, but we didn't get along with them.

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 So they didn't dare to come.

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 I think it was worse in smaller towns.

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 How was the transport between the school and the ghetto?

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 With wagons.

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 Not by train.

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 With wagons.

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 What kind of wagons?

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 With horses, donkeys and a lot.

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 How many were you?

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 I don't know. There were many of us.

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 It was at least a 70-year-old family.

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 You were so busy with yourself and your family.

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 Do you remember how you were dressed?

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 Yes.

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 I remember that I got new clothes for Easter.

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 It was a full-length dress in red and blue.

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 It had shoulder pads and high-heeled shoes.

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 I still didn't have high heels.

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 How long was the journey?

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 No, it wasn't long. 18 kilometers.

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 But before we got to the ghetto, we understood what it was like.

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 There was a brickyard.

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 We had to lie on the floor and on mattresses.

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 Those who worked there went to work.

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 What did the ghetto look like from the outside?

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 I don't remember much. It was just a part of the street.

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 It was an interior part of the ghetto.

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 It was the biggest city in all the areas.

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 There were many thousands of people from all over the area.

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 From different places, small towns, everywhere.

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 There were many thousands of people.

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 Were you guarded?

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 Yes. They beat us. It was terrible.

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 My father had a cousin who worked in the hospital.

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 She wasn't a fully-fledged doctor.

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 My father wanted her because the Germans didn't care about young girls.

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 They took everyone.

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 My parents were afraid that they would hurt me.

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 So I ended up in the hospital next to my father's cousin in the ghetto.

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 I helped the sick people.

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 I always stood next to her and helped her.

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 I told her to calm down and that the Germans couldn't come to me.

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 Did you witness any special events in the ghetto?

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 No, not really. My parents protected me.

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 They didn't want me to see what was happening there.

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 They always made sure that I didn't get hurt.

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 How was the food?

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 I wasn't hungry in the ghetto.

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 My father was there, so he could always buy us food.

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 We had a good economy.

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 They took money from us, even though it said that we weren't allowed to take it.

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 Every day there was something else to be put away.

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 But we didn't take gold. We left a lot of things at home.

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 We were afraid because they said that if we took jewelry or earrings, they would take it.

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 But we didn't dare to take anything.

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 They said that we would be killed if we didn't do what we wanted to do.

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 So the real hell began in the ghetto.

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 We were afraid all the time.

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 I don't remember how it was. My mother didn't do anything.

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 They just sat in the bricks. They cooked and hid the food.

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 I don't know where it all came from.

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 Did the ghetto kill people?

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 I'm sure it did.

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 But my grandmother and grandfather, my uncle's wife and my cousin were with us.

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 I remember it like it was yesterday when we were evacuated.

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 We weren't in the ghetto for more than four or five weeks.

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 Because we heard that they were taking people.

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 My father was called in from the ghetto.

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 In the end, he was called in by the military.

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 We knew where he was going to go. It was called Karsova.

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 I don't know what it's called in Czech.

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 That was the center of the German-Polish border.

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 It belonged to Czechoslovakia.

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 I have seen a lot of real German SS men on the Polish border.

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 We were put in wagons and that's where people died.

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 Inside, it was cramped. There was no toilet, no food.

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 Older people died in the wagons.

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 I remember that very well. My father went to Vegas where we were evacuated.

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 They said that we would have a much better life than we have now.

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 Because we would work and we would get paid.

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 Who left these messages?

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 I don't know who, but people have talked about it.

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 We didn't know anything about Auschwitz.

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 Was there a Jewish rat in the ghetto? Did you know about it?

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 No, I didn't know.

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 When my parents talked to other widows, they told me not to know too much.

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 When did the deportation from the ghetto start?

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 Around May. I think we were among the first to leave the ghetto.

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 What happened that day?

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 I don't remember how it was. I only know that we were in wagons.

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 Was it day or night?

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 It must have been night, because I don't remember.

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 I can only see in front of me how I was inside the wagon.

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 My sister, my mother and everyone else were inside the same wagon.

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 Grandmother and grandfather. We didn't have that many relatives.

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 How many people were in each wagon?

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 There were about 70 people.

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 Do you remember how many wagons were in the train?

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 Many, but I don't remember. I only remember that it was terrible.

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 I couldn't lay my head on my mother's knee.

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 She made it difficult for me and my sister to lay our heads.

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 Even my grandmother. They made it difficult for us to sleep.

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 When we got to the city where my father was in the military,

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 there was a small window with hangers in the wagons.

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 My mother said to me, "Clari, can't you look at one side and I'll look at the other side?"

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 "What if we see dad or any of his friends?"

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 I started to scream, "Mom, dad is standing there!"

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 Then we didn't know what to do. We couldn't get out because we were locked in.

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 Did the train stop?

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 Yes, the train stopped there because the Hungarians handed over the wagons to the Germans.

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 That was the border.

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 My father found us because he asked all the wagons if we were with him.

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 They probably told him that we screamed too.

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 He had a spirit of nervousness, not a spirit of drinking.

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 He had a spirit that if you get a headache or feel sick, don't just leave it to us.

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 We should help others who are not feeling well.

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 I remember marmalade, but it wasn't marmalade. It was big square pieces.

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 And bread and different things.

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 The Germans gave it to me and he cried. It has been with me all my life.

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 I have it in front of me.

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 He cried. My mother stretched out her hand and kissed my mother's hand and just cried.

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 My father spoke German, so he asked the Germans not to follow us.

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 He said, "You go to work. You will go to work."

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 The Germans said, "No."

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 Then the Germans opened the wagons so that he could say the right thing for us.

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 The train wasn't that long. Maybe half an hour or so.

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 Then they closed the wagons again.

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 I remember my father, Edde, and my mother. But we didn't know where we were going.

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 We thought we were going to have a better life.

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 Then we went to Auschwitz.

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 It was written by Edde, "Work. Power to life."

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 How long did the journey take?

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 I don't know. Not many days.

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 Did the train stop on the way?

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 Yes, it stopped here and there.

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 They probably gave us water or emptied the toilet.

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 But there was a lot of smog. People died in the wagons.

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 That's why my father left the message that we should clean ourselves.

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 What did you do with the people who died?

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 They took them out. We didn't reach Auschwitz yet.

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 But they didn't take the ones who died.

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 They kept the dead relatives. They didn't want to leave the dead.

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 When the train stopped, did you open the doors?

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 No, just a little bit.

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 Did you see anything when they opened the doors?

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 No, nothing.

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 When we got to Auschwitz, they told us how to behave.

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 They told us to get off the train and not to take anything from the wagon.

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 We had to leave everything behind.

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 Who told you that?

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 The ones who could speak German and other languages, the ones who worked there.

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 There were a lot of Jews who worked there.

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 Was it day or night?

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 It was day.

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 It was day when we arrived. It couldn't have been a day before.

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 When we arrived, they opened the doors and told us to stand in a line of five.

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 There were five men and five women.

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 I held my mother's hand and my sister's in the middle.

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 My sister was on one side and I was on the other side.

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 I was next to my grandmother, my aunt and a five-year-old boy.

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 We had to leave everything in the wagon and not take anything.

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 Just the way we were.

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 I remember there were cigars in the wagon. I think it was Mengele who had a cigar.

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 And Einstein.

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 Another name.

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 The one who was murdered.

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 Eichmann.

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 Eichmann was also there when I arrived.

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 I remember his face.

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 How do I remember?

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 I remember after the newspapers I saw when I survived.

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 Both of them. I felt it again.

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 Again.

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 Again.

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 Again.

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 Again.

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 Again.

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